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    Posted: April/15/2012 at 4:34pm
I am using an L22 connected to an Aurora 8 via Lstream. My motherboard is an Asus P8Z68 Deluxe. Occasionally, when using ASIO (SW synthesizers both standalone and within Sonar X1) the Lynx mixer panel indicates a dropout (sometimes audible) on all of the active channels. The applications can run for an hour or two without this happening, and sometimes a single dropout (on all channels) occurs withing 30 seconds of beginning the application.

dpclat.exe indicates no excessive latency when this happens. In fact, the maximum latched latency indicated is 400us, sometimes even no higher than ~150us when the dropout occurs.

ASIO is configured for a a 256 sample buffer, 16-bits, 44.1kHz. Selecting the L22 double-buffer feature has no effect.

Power saving has no effect, and it is currently set in maximum. Disabling BIOS Ai-Twesker Speedstep Technology and Turbo has no effect.

The L22 version information is as follows:

Lynx Mixer Version: 2.00 Build 019
Build Date: May  4 2011

LynxWDM.Dll Version: 2.00 Build 019
LynxV264.Sys Version: 2.00 Build 019

Firmware Version: 9.0   Date: Mar 15, 2004
LStream 1: Aurora 8

VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1
Processor: 8 Intel Level 6 Rev 2a07
Memory: Phys 4194303 Avail 4194303 Page 4194303 Avail 4194303

Any advice?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2012 at 9:09pm
Update: I have enabled L22/ASIO double-buffering and have since operated for several hours without any dropouts. My previous statement about double-buffering having no effect was inaccurate. So, maybe my problem is solved.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/16/2012 at 12:03pm
Good to hear, Keith, thank you for the update. Please let us know if there is any change...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/21/2012 at 6:53pm
I am still experiencing a few anomalies with double-buffering enabled.

1) When I start my audio application (whether it be a standalone SW synthesizer or Sonar X1 using SW synthesizers), or after I open or close the ASIO panel, the audio sputters intermittently for 30 seconds or so when audio is being generated, after which it performs flawlessly with no dropouts for the rest of my session. When the audio is sputtering, no dropouts are logged. Is there any way that this initial sputtering, which did not occur when I was not using double-buffering, can be avoided?

2) I notice that when I use a SW synthesizer standalone, the ASIO panel indicates 12ms of latency, but when I use Sonar, the ASIO panel indicated 5.8ms of latency. if I recall correctly, the latency indication used to be consistent in whatever aplication that I was using.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/28/2012 at 7:05am
Any insights?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/28/2012 at 9:55am
Have you tried upgrading to Build 19c of the driver?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/28/2012 at 6:03pm
David:

No, I have not. I'll give that a try.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/28/2012 at 7:38pm
Unfortunately, 19c did not help. As before, when double-buffering is disabled, audio starts correctly, but occasional dropouts occur. When double-buffering is enabled, whenever audio starts from the driver being started (e.g. SW synthesizer or Sonar is invoked), sputtering occurs for 15-20 seconds, sometimes quite piercing. After that, no dropouts occur.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/30/2012 at 4:30pm
Hi Keith,
As to the latency difference reported, I think in one instance they're referring to single direction latency, and in the other (12ms) they're referring to round trip. That's what it seems like at least. ASIO apps should all get the same numbers generated by the driver.

With the issue you're describing, I'm wondering if you have "release ASIO driver in background" selected in Sonar. It may be called something different, but it basically halts the audio engine when the app is minimized.

Also, you might try having the L22 NOT be the default audio device for Windows and see if that makes a difference.

In the Lynx Mixer under Advanced Settings, you could try turning MRM (memory read multiple) OFF.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/04/2012 at 7:21pm
Paul:

In my Lynx Mixer Advanced Settings, there is no MRM option. What does this mean?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/06/2012 at 9:31am
I think I have found a solution, and it was counter intuitive (at least to me). I reduced the ASIO buffer from 256 to 64 samples, with double-buffering enabled, and playback seems to work fin now. I haven't tried recording.

Incidentally, before I made this change, I noticed that the output from the L22 exhibited only clocks, whereas output from the aurora 8 exhibited much more audible and sustained disruptions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/07/2012 at 5:13pm
Interesting. Keep us posted...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/03/2012 at 7:22pm
The dropouts are not completely resolved. However, I have noticed that they occur when using Cakewalk SW synthesizers Rapture and Z3TA+2. When I use my other SW synthesizers in a Sonar X1 project, I do not observe dropouts:

Alchemy (64-bit)
Korg Legacy and log and digital editions (32-but, using jbridge)
Linnplug RMV (64-bit)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2012 at 11:45am
Perhaps the Cakewalk synths have higher CPU overhead than do the Sonar ones....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/10/2012 at 4:28pm
I have been doing some more testing. The dropouts occur with other 64-bit synths as well for programs that have a long sustain or decay interval. I have not tried 32-bit synths yet. Could my problem be my non-native PCI interface?
 
Would I be better off with a USB or fireware interfsce to the Aurora 8? Or an AES16e (and lose the A8 digital interfaces which I currently use for other purposes)?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/15/2012 at 6:34pm
I did two things:

1) update L22 FW per Paul's advice via a separate discussion
2) changed ASIO buffer to 64 samples (which I have tried before to no avail)

Things are working very well now. I just saved hundreds of dollars for an alternate interface to the Aurora 8, and preserved the digital IO that I would have lost if I had to switch to an AES16e. I think that I'll spend my savings like a crazy fool.

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